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Threepwood
March 20, 2010, 11:45pm Report to Moderator

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If the Wiki picture is the current manor house then there is a strong similarity to the one in the postcard.


Can't see it meself. Count the windows for instance.


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Victoriajg7
March 20, 2010, 11:55pm Report to Moderator
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Look at the front of the right hand side of the manor with the columns.
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Threepwood
March 21, 2010, 12:07am Report to Moderator

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The one in the postcard is deffo  'L' shaped with the wrong number of floors above the main columns compared to the single non-L shaped building in the wiki link.

Hmmm..


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Victoriajg7
March 21, 2010, 12:11am Report to Moderator
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I know the original was 'L' shaped but I suspect it wasn't rebuilt exactly the same. The top part of the building looks the same as well
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dodgy
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Very true, but I suspect what we have here is 'local yokels' calling it by the wrong name.  "Oh look it's a  house in Benham Park..... it must be known as Benham House", when in fact, it's actual name was Benham Valence. (see links).  It was, howerver,  sold as the 'Mansion House' to Norsk Data. It's present occupants (2e2) also have the name 'The Mansion House' on their letter headings. (but that is to differentiate it from the buildings / companies/ workshops outback)


Threep.


You are an education in itself-I take my hat off to you...Creepwood! And how  long have you been in the area, you seem to know very little about it!
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Threepwood
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You are an education in itself

Well, I sometimes think you need it.  It was you who struggled with the 24 hour clock, the correct use of English, the works of Tennessee Williams, the ability to quote correctly, and Bertie Wooster after all. Is it not you that always resorts to swearing and name-calling when you start to lose your arguments? How many posts have you had deleted for those reasons? Too many methinks.

But to answer your point,

Are you saying it wasn't sold to Norsk Data as 'The Mansion House' then? Are you saying 2e2 don't call it the same on their letter heading. Are you saying there aren't diifferent companies round the back? Are you saying it's correct name is not Benham Valence? Which part is wrong?

Perhaps you'd like to answer the question posed to you by both Brian and Greenham Common now?

Pip Pip!


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Victoriajg7
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I know you're 'getting old' Threep but that's a bit unfair.  Who's to say it wasn't non 'local yokels' who started calling it the Mansion House? I think it's a reasonable assumption don't you? After all, Norsk Data and 2e2 are very recent occupants given it's age. The correct name now is Benham Valance but we know for sure it is not the original name
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BrianB
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You may all be interested to read this PDF document.

This is a book published by Penelope Stokes in 1996 which is no longer in print.

Craven Country: http://www.hamsteadmarshall.net/history/cc.pdf

Be warned if you don't have broadband, it is a 4Mb download.
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blackdog
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It doesn't answer the original question, but this article by Bernard Eggleton does make interesting reading:

http://www.newbury-society.org.uk/oldsite/history/Civil%20Wars.htm


There are time when typos are just too good to be true - a siege of its local cattle (third para from end).

You might like to fix it admin.
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dodgy
March 21, 2010, 10:24am Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Threepwood

Well, I sometimes think you need it.  It was you who struggled with the 24 hour clock, the correct use of English, the works of Tennessee Williams, the ability to quote correctly, and Bertie Wooster after all. Is it not you that always resorts to swearing and name-calling when you start to lose your arguments? How many posts have you had deleted for those reasons? Too many methinks.

Pip Pip!


Threep.


Thanks for that..Still can't handle the Pip Pip though..
Don't know where the above came from, you are obviously getting me confused with another.
Anyway, to answer your question, as I stated before, my Mother and Father worked on The Sutton Estate for Toby Sutton at 'Benham House, but I don't have to justify myself to you as you well know..but please carry on in the manner you have become accustomed! I expect some people find it entertaining
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BrianB
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There are time when typos are just too good to be true - a siege of its local cattle (third para from end).

You might like to fix it admin.


OK Officially it is not my website, but I am in a position to change it.

I will also be changing the following typo: "The siege lasted until April 1446."

Maybe you would also be intested to read the following article by the same author:

Who was Jack of Newbury: http://www.newbury-society.org.uk/oldsite/history/jack_of_newbury_who_he.htm

Perhaps Fairfax stayed at "The house that Jack built"?
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brian
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The correct name now is Benham Valance but we know for sure it is not the original name


That's not quite right it was built in the Benham Estate by the Valance family, hence Benham-Valence House.  In the same way, the Hampstead Estate was settled by the Marshall family. Hampstead-Marshall..

Dodgy, you keep going on about Benham House. Where exactly is that building if it is not the Valence/Norsk data building please let us know and that will settle the discussion.
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Victoriajg7
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Maybe it was another house in the grounds. It's all very confusing because it definitely states in numerous places that it was called Benham Valance in later years. Maybe dodgy can put us all out of our misery and say exactly where his family went to work

“ The Margrane of Ansph begs leave to inform the commanding officer of the B.P.C. that two young officers forc’d their way thro’ the gate, telling the woman that wanted to deter them that they were going to Benham House, and meeting the Marne who asked them if they were going there, they answered they thought the road was publick, she assured them it was not, but they proceeded through. The Marne hopes (whatever these young men may be) they ought to be informed they have behaved very unlike gentlemen, and of course not in the least like officers.”

Quoted from http://www.freundetriesdorf.de/the_margravine.html
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brian
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King Henry lll was very fond of jousting tournaments and in 1248 he held a large tournament somewhere in Newbury. One of the ypunger half brothers of the king, William de Valence was a contestant who because of his youth and inexperience took a pretty severe beating. Two years later in 1250, the manor, (which actually means estate rather than a house as we know it today) was given to William de Valence by King Henry lll and it was then named at that time Benham-Valence.
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Victoriajg7
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So the 'manor' meant the estate and the dwelling must have been called Benham House      Now, is it where Sir Thomas Fairfax stayed?
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