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brian
August 14, 2009, 5:49pm Report to Moderator

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Under the current political system, it would be a waste of time.  Incidentally, the Tories came into power in Newbury, pretending to be slightly cynical about the Vision (only to carry on as the Lib Dems did).  I certainly voted Tory on this basis.


Which is just one more reason for candidates to stand on their personal beliefs and what they can do for Newbury rather than having a bias to a Westminster political party.
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blackdog
August 14, 2009, 11:24pm Report to Moderator

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Which is just one more reason for candidates to stand on their personal beliefs and what they can do for Newbury rather than having a bias to a Westminster political party.


We could all agree that this makes sense - but it won't stop votes being cast for parties rather than candidates.  The system sucks - but it ain't about to change.
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user23.3
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We could all agree that this makes sense - but it won't stop votes being cast for parties rather than candidates.  The system sucks - but it ain't about to change.
People have a choice to vote for whichever candidate they wish, you can't blame the system for people voting for parties.

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what nobody seems to understand about Newbury is that the high street, the market, the kennet centre and all the other shops ARE RUBBISH!!!!!!!  (that Gizmo shop in the kennet, the awful record shop and pc shop duo near the wharf, and the are prime examples)

No wonder people go elsewhere.  Why on earth would you want to come here, regardless of this supposed plot to drive shoppers away (which, lets face it, is rubbish)
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Greenham Common
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People have a choice to vote for whichever candidate they wish, you can't blame the system for people voting for parties.

Exactly and most people, I would imagine, vote for colour, rather than policies.

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blackdog
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People have a choice to vote for whichever candidate they wish, you can't blame the system for people voting for parties.


Yes I can - in fact I did and still do.

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Bartholomew
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what nobody seems to understand about Newbury is that the high street, the market, the kennet centre and all the other shops ARE RUBBISH!!!!!!!  (that Gizmo shop in the kennet, the awful record shop and pc shop duo near the wharf, and the are prime examples)

No wonder people go elsewhere.  Why on earth would you want to come here, regardless of this supposed plot to drive shoppers away (which, lets face it, is rubbish)


This sounds like a rubbish post!
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Victoriajg7
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Yes, but it says more about the poster than everything they slag off.
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user23.3
August 17, 2009, 8:23am Report to Moderator

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Which is just one more reason for candidates to stand on their personal beliefs and what they can do for Newbury rather than having a bias to a Westminster political party.
I couldn't agree more. We need mroe of the moaners to put their money where their mouth is and stand for election.
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Yes I can - in fact I did and still do.
You'll have to explain this one then. How can we blame the system for people voting for a party and not a person, baring in mind we can't ban political parties?
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Bartholomew
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.You'll have to explain this one then. How can we blame the system for people voting for a party and not a person, baring in mind we can't ban political parties?


Here's the conundrum.

1) I like the individual views of some of the party candidates which happen to match the party line. I vote for one of them . The party decides to change the policy and influences its members to toe the line. I don't get what I voted for.

2) I like the views of the independent candidate. I vote for him/her. He/she gets elected. The main parties don't agree with these views and can use their influence to get their views implemented. I don't get what I voted for.

So the most pragmatic approach is to either vote for the party that has policies that are vaguely what I am looking for or not vote at all.

(Worse than this is proportional representation that means that even if I vote for the person I like, the vote is used to bolster the party and someone I don't like/agree with gets my vote to do what I don't want)
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Greenham Common
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I couldn't agree more. We need more of the moaners to put their money where their mouth is and stand for election.

Sod that for a game of soldiers.  We all know how thick and apathetic the electorate is.

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blackdog
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You'll have to explain this one then.


Why? Is there some law forcing me to explain myself?

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How can we blame the system for people voting for a party and not a person


Our political system has 'evolved' to a state where democratically elected representatives are told what to do, how to vote etc by their party policy makers (many of whom are not elected).  The result is that the only voting option that makes sense is to vote for the party that you think will do the least damage. Who the local candidate is makes no difference whatsoever.

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bearing in mind we can't ban political parties?


True - only the political party in power could do this. On the positive side - I'll vote for any party that puts this in their manifesto.


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Our political system has 'evolved' to a state where democratically elected representatives are told what to do, how to vote etc by their party policy makers (many of whom are not elected).  The result is that the only voting option that makes sense is to vote for the party that you think will do the least damage. Who the local candidate is makes no difference whatsoever.



I believe it's called Electile Dysfunction
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user23.3
August 18, 2009, 2:52pm Report to Moderator

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Why? Is there some law forcing me to explain myself?
No, but if you want to be understood you might have to.
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Our political system has 'evolved' to a state where democratically elected representatives are told what to do, how to vote etc by their party policy makers (many of whom are not elected).  The result is that the only voting option that makes sense is to vote for the party that you think will do the least damage. Who the local candidate is makes no difference whatsoever.
The system hasn't evolved that way, it's always been like that since it was Whigs against Tories, I thought you might know this as you used to work in the Museum and probably have an interest in history.

The only way to get round this is for more independent people to put their money where their mouth is and stand for election.

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Greenham Common
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The only way to get round this is for more independent people to put their money where their mouth is and stand for election.

What if they haven't got money?

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