Another ANCIENT photo from 1890
Notice the building which now has BEYNON used to have BURGESS!

...and The Old Waggon & Horses when it was The NEW Waggon & Horses.... (probably)  

Howsabout the Town Hall.  Photographed in 1881 just after it was completed and still smelling of paint.   (Designed by James Money and built between 1876 and 1881 at a cost of £4,345.... sounds a bit steep to me) History lesson over

and in the 1930s 'Her Majesty Queen Vic' and her lions looked down on her loyal subjects from her position in the centre of Market Place.  BURGESS has now gone from the building roofline and has been replaced with BEYNON.  And the sun canopies being used on the building now occupied by Strada are remarkably similar to the type of sun canopies which are again being used on the building occupied by Strada  

The photograph of the Town hall has the Shambles on the side and a balliol window which were demolished in 1909 to improve Mansion House street. There is a good pcture of that in Sue Hopson's 'A Photographic Record 1850-1935' from a postcard in Newbury museum. The Shambles was a sort of undercover market mainly for the sale of meat and poultry.

Click on the Market place camera

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and when you get the view of the Town Hall, see that apart from the removal of the Shambles, nothing has changed

Another postcard, hand coloured

Looking at the photo again of the Town Hall, it's quite a large chunk that was demolished when Mansion House Street was widened.  Terrible planning by Mr James Money methinks. (The product of his loins are still involved in planning issues around town to this day it seems) Probably AT LEAST £1000 of the £4300 it took to build the place was just turned to dust.  Such a waste... tut tut....

The Romeo/Juliet window and Shambles area was a bit of a sad loss. You wonder if they couldn't have knocked down the building on the other side of the road instead at the time.  (Then again, we wouldn't have the nice charity shops we have today if that had happened)


Here's another OLD photo.  This time it's the Cloth Hall on Wharf Street from the 1890s.  

Is that a rising bollard on the left hand side of the photo?  

Quoted from spartacus

Looking at the photo again of the Town Hall, it's quite a large chunk that was demolished when Mansion House Street was widened.  Terrible planning by Mr James Money methinks. (The product of his loins are still involved in planning issues around town to this day it seems) Probably AT LEAST £1000 of the £4300 it took to build the place was just turned to dust.  Such a waste... tut tut....

The Shambles and the  first floor Mansion House above it was already there when the new buildings were added. It is said to have been built in 1742.

A view from the 1930s looking down Cheap Street towards Market Place.    The Catherine Wheel's distinctive roofline to the left and notice that 'K' shoes were flogging their goods from that shop even then (that IS the site of Michael Greenwood's isn't it?)

Two way traffic in that area is not such a new idea then.
The building on the extreme right of the picture which is in fact adjoining the Post Office (Out of sight) is the old Kimber's Almshouses facade and alongside it just visible is I think the Co op. Both have now been demolished and is now the Royal Mail van park.

Quoted from spartacus

...and The Old Waggon & Horses when it was The NEW Waggon & Horses.... (probably)  

No - the New Waggon & Horses was another pub.

Quoted from blackdog

No - the New Waggon & Horses was another pub.

In Newbury?, I think you are pulling our leg

Quoted from brian

In Newbury?, I think you are pulling our leg

Yes, in Newbury. Name changed to the King's Arms.

Quoted from brian

Two way traffic in that area is not such a new idea then.
The building on the extreme right of the picture which is in fact adjoining the Post Office (Out of sight) is the old Kimber's Almshouses facade and alongside it just visible is I think the Co op. Both have now been demolished and is now the Royal Mail van park.

Quoted from spartacus

Looking at the photo again of the Town Hall, it's quite a large chunk that was demolished when Mansion House Street was widened.  Terrible planning by Mr James Money methinks. (The product of his loins are still involved in planning issues around town to this day it seems).

James Money was not a planner but an architect - the Patrick Griffin of his day. Mind you, his brother Walter was a councillor for a while...

The building demolished to widen Mansion House Street was nothing to do with the Town Halls, it was the Mansion House (built 1742 or thereabouts by James Clarke - the Patrick Griffin of his day). By 1900 it was felt to be out of date and in poor repair. At the same time the expansion of the Borough Council operations meant they needed some more office space - so the extension to the Town Hall was built. Sadly the Mansion House was a far nicer piece of architecture than the offices that replaced it.  

Quoted from blackdog

Yes, in Newbury. Name changed to the King's Arms.

Oh, is that the old Dower House in London Road. No record that I could find about it being the New Waggon and Horses

Quoted from brian

Oh, is that the old Dower House in London Road. No record that I could find about it being the New Waggon and Horses

No - the Kings Arms in the Market Place, aka New Waggon & Horses and White Lion /Lyon. I suspect that it took the Kings Arms name when the Speenhamland one closed - not that I know when this was, late C18th somewhen.